Jordan Schneider

Then you end up in these very dangerous situations.

dynamics and look, I, I don't think that we are like the, the fetishization of doing everything in a way, which is entirely like on your land and controlled by you.

And, you know, you can feed your country with like the, the, the farms that are in your land mass.

Like we're not entirely there yet.

Um, but it has been fascinating that I think China was very early to this.

You know, there is like a deep aspect of like PRC history where they feel like they've gotten screwed.

And so even before the October, like far before the October 7th controls, like when she comes to like, you can find dumb quote, you can find mal quotes about this.

You can find dumb quotes about this.

One of the first speeches she gives is all talking about sort of self-reliance and not being vulnerable to having the other world, like other countries like bully us around, be that.

sort of economically, culturally, what have you.

Yeah, see, this is the problem with self-reliance is it is expensive.

It is uneconomical to do things because if it wasn't, then your country would already have it.

Right.

So after the disaster of Mao, lots of Chinese leaders made what I think is like the correct strategic decision that, yeah, we are going to need to get more dependent on exports, to get more dependent on sort of foreign technology, because if we're not like, yeah, you can be self-reliant like North Korea and you can be really, really poor.

That is basically the experience that you had in Mao era China where like, yeah, they weren't importing a ton of technology because they were too worried about starving every seven years because of like, you know, terrible.

The sparrows and the locusts and the four plagues and these types of things.

Yeah.

Exactly.

What I think is kind of really interesting is over the past five years, you've seen this mindset start to come home to roost in the West, right?

Like you have EU leaders talking about strategic autonomy.