Jordi Hays

I feel like a lot of people focus, like...

I don't know.

It's interesting.

It's worked, but it feels contrarian in the new media sense because most people will just be like, oh, I want to be like Ben Thompson, only subscriptions, or TVPN's only ads, or someone's really in the conference business, or they do that way later.

It feels like you were able to land three planes simultaneously pretty quickly.

I mean, or the pre-roll or the mid-roll host read ad in your podcast, I think would do very well.

And I mean, I like that there's no ads when you're sparring with somebody.

But you did have the mic drop at the end of the Ed Zittrain episode, which I very much enjoyed.

And yeah.

Yeah.

If you'd snuck it out in there, I would've been like, you earned it, you know?

Would've been good.

Anyway, talk about how you're thinking about covering some of the big stories right now.

Like, SpaceX is dominating the news, but it's an interesting company to cover because Elon's like one of the first go-direct CEOs.

He doesn't do a lot of management interviews.

You don't really do interviews with other people.

We have somebody from, we have a VP of agentic AI from AWS coming on the show.

They're happy to talk.

up and down the stack.

You don't get that access at SpaceX necessarily.