Jordi Hays

But do we need a game show with just journalist competitors, like an American Ninja Warrior with just sub-stackers?

What do you think about that pitch?

Nitro Circus would be good.

much watch must watch i'm but that's what's interesting about mafia is that it's not a new company it's not an enterprise that needs to sustain it can be just a fun thing a fun thing that goes as long as it needs to doesn't overstay its welcome because it's not this self-perpetual because they have 60 billion in spacex coming to to hire some camera crews if they need you know like that that is the nature of like i'm glad they need the production i

Yeah, I saw some people chirping at the fact that it only had 100,000 views on YouTube.

And I'm like, that is insane for tech.

That's insane.

And the guests, who knows these people?

Only at Zitron commands that in tech world right now.

There's only a couple thousand founders that matter to a top-tier venture capital firm.

There's only a couple thousand founders that even know who these people are.

Of course, some of the contestants were bigger names, but by and large, these are insiders around the table.

Yeah, maybe.

You've done this, right?

sharks right and like where do they where do they where do they you know fit in so the fall off of arthur rock not our fur rock but the original arthur rock needs to be studied the guy uh funded apple intel absolutely insane portfolio goes out investing with bernie madoff he gets outed for that in 2009 there's a firm that really fell off

Yeah, yeah.

Between these two firms, which one are you picking?

But that's a completely different thing from actually measuring the quality of the venture capital business that is being built.

And people still conflate two different goals.

One is the sexy seed round to multi-billion dollar exit in a very short amount of time.