Jordi Hays

From their lips.

I mean, I'm not in a position to raise money from Sequoia right now, but I was like, I kind of want to work with Andrew after that.

That's great.

I like that.

And that is a good defining line there.

Anyway, I don't know.

It's like Ev Randall was drinking beers in college when that happened, okay?

Let's back off of that truck for a little bit.

Let's not visit the sins of the father on the son, right?

Isn't that in the Bible?

On this list, competing with the Midas list or doing some other list, how valuable are lists in terms of actual years?

moving the needle for your business.

Like early on at TVVN, we did the Metis list, which was like a list of AI researchers and it converted a decent amount of email subscribers.

Cause we had like an email capture flow.

We weren't like directly monetizing it, but it was an interesting experience.

We did a couple of those like sort of stunts and, but I'm interested to know from your perspective, um,

Is that less of a priority?

I always hear that scoops get people to pay.

They jump the paywall after a scoop.

They got to read it.