Jordi Hays

Yeah, everyone thought VR was gonna take off.

There was so much energy around Oculus and the dev community, but it was a tough, it was a very tough business.

A lot of hardware challenges, much less mature supply chain, everything's expensive.

And there's all these complex market dynamics with other big companies.

Meta bought Oculus, Apple was investing heavily.

Eventually, Apple actually tried to buy David's first company, Leap Motion.

But the deal fell through at the 11th hour.

I think it actually happened twice.

There was a reporting that Apple had printed welcome packets to all of the Leap Motion employees being like, you're getting onboarded today.

And then the deal fell through, which is crazy.

You don't see that normally.

He turned it down.

There is some crazy reporting about getting in and basically being like, ah, this is too corporate, or this is not the vibe.

We're not going to be successful here.

It was really rough for the company.

They had to do layoffs.

But they kept building, and they sold devices to hackers.

Yeah, look at this, the Leap Motion.

This is Play Fruit Ninja.

Now, a lot of this stuff can be done with cameras and hand tracking.