Jordi Hays

And the hand tracking on the modern VR device is pretty good just from the headset.

Hand tracking in Apple Vision Pro, my favorite device, is fantastic.

But at the time, you needed a third-party device, so you had... Can you scroll the video down to show the actual device a little bit?

Yeah, this little, it looks like a stick of gum.

Very small, very neat, very cool, but ultimately very much a dev kit, never got to mass consumer adoption like an Oura Ring or a Whoop Band or anything like that.

It was not must-have for the average gamer, the average consumer, the average technologist.

After about a decade, David was able to take a step back and start hacking on the next thing.

AI image generation, you know, mid-journey, obviously.

Huge viral success.

Broke a lot of the traditional rules.

So no venture funding, no front end, no website, no app.

Like really, I mean, now they have a front end and stuff.

But years went by where it was just a Discord.

Everything was in a Discord.

And they scaled that Discord to millions of members.

So huge that...

The company Discord, I think it was the biggest, the mid-journey Discord was the biggest Discord for a while.

They had to scale their systems at that company.

But you're doing all this, like, off-balance sheet R&D, basically.

And on day one, you just get a fantastic mobile app for every device.