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Joscha Bach

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1434 total appearances

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#392 โ€“ Joscha Bach: Life, Intelligence, Consciousness, AI & the Future of Humans

You notice that there is a control system in the plant that connects every part of the plant to every other part of the plant and produces coherent behavior in the plant. That is, of course, much, much slower than the coherent behavior in an animal like us that has a nervous system where everything is synchronized much, much faster by the neurons.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#392 โ€“ Joscha Bach: Life, Intelligence, Consciousness, AI & the Future of Humans

You notice that there is a control system in the plant that connects every part of the plant to every other part of the plant and produces coherent behavior in the plant. That is, of course, much, much slower than the coherent behavior in an animal like us that has a nervous system where everything is synchronized much, much faster by the neurons.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#392 โ€“ Joscha Bach: Life, Intelligence, Consciousness, AI & the Future of Humans

You notice that there is a control system in the plant that connects every part of the plant to every other part of the plant and produces coherent behavior in the plant. That is, of course, much, much slower than the coherent behavior in an animal like us that has a nervous system where everything is synchronized much, much faster by the neurons.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#392 โ€“ Joscha Bach: Life, Intelligence, Consciousness, AI & the Future of Humans

But what you also notice is that if a plant is sitting next to another plant, like you have a very old tree and this tree is building some kind of information highway along its cells so it can send information from its leaves to its roots and from some part of the root to another part of the roots,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#392 โ€“ Joscha Bach: Life, Intelligence, Consciousness, AI & the Future of Humans

But what you also notice is that if a plant is sitting next to another plant, like you have a very old tree and this tree is building some kind of information highway along its cells so it can send information from its leaves to its roots and from some part of the root to another part of the roots,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#392 โ€“ Joscha Bach: Life, Intelligence, Consciousness, AI & the Future of Humans

But what you also notice is that if a plant is sitting next to another plant, like you have a very old tree and this tree is building some kind of information highway along its cells so it can send information from its leaves to its roots and from some part of the root to another part of the roots,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#392 โ€“ Joscha Bach: Life, Intelligence, Consciousness, AI & the Future of Humans

And as the fungus living next to the tree, the fungus can probably piggyback on the communication between the cells of the tree and send its own signals to the tree. And vice versa, the tree might be able to send information to the fungus. Because after all, how would they build a viable firewall if that other organism is sitting next to them all the time and it's never moving away?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#392 โ€“ Joscha Bach: Life, Intelligence, Consciousness, AI & the Future of Humans

And as the fungus living next to the tree, the fungus can probably piggyback on the communication between the cells of the tree and send its own signals to the tree. And vice versa, the tree might be able to send information to the fungus. Because after all, how would they build a viable firewall if that other organism is sitting next to them all the time and it's never moving away?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#392 โ€“ Joscha Bach: Life, Intelligence, Consciousness, AI & the Future of Humans

And as the fungus living next to the tree, the fungus can probably piggyback on the communication between the cells of the tree and send its own signals to the tree. And vice versa, the tree might be able to send information to the fungus. Because after all, how would they build a viable firewall if that other organism is sitting next to them all the time and it's never moving away?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#392 โ€“ Joscha Bach: Life, Intelligence, Consciousness, AI & the Future of Humans

So they will have to get along. And over a long enough time frame, the networks of roots in the forest and all the other plants that are there and the fungi that are there might be forming something like a biological internet.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#392 โ€“ Joscha Bach: Life, Intelligence, Consciousness, AI & the Future of Humans

So they will have to get along. And over a long enough time frame, the networks of roots in the forest and all the other plants that are there and the fungi that are there might be forming something like a biological internet.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#392 โ€“ Joscha Bach: Life, Intelligence, Consciousness, AI & the Future of Humans

So they will have to get along. And over a long enough time frame, the networks of roots in the forest and all the other plants that are there and the fungi that are there might be forming something like a biological internet.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#392 โ€“ Joscha Bach: Life, Intelligence, Consciousness, AI & the Future of Humans

Of course, you can use any kind of physical signal. You can use sounds, you can use electromagnetic waves that are integrated over many cells. It's conceivable that across distances there are many kinds of information pathways. But also our planetary surface is pretty full of organisms, full of cells.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#392 โ€“ Joscha Bach: Life, Intelligence, Consciousness, AI & the Future of Humans

Of course, you can use any kind of physical signal. You can use sounds, you can use electromagnetic waves that are integrated over many cells. It's conceivable that across distances there are many kinds of information pathways. But also our planetary surface is pretty full of organisms, full of cells.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#392 โ€“ Joscha Bach: Life, Intelligence, Consciousness, AI & the Future of Humans

Of course, you can use any kind of physical signal. You can use sounds, you can use electromagnetic waves that are integrated over many cells. It's conceivable that across distances there are many kinds of information pathways. But also our planetary surface is pretty full of organisms, full of cells.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#392 โ€“ Joscha Bach: Life, Intelligence, Consciousness, AI & the Future of Humans

Yeah, and it's been doing this for many millions and even billions of years. So there was enough time for information processing networks to form. And if you think about how a mind is self-organizing, basically it needs to, in some sense, reward the cells for computing the mind, for building the necessary dynamics between the cells that allow the mind to stabilize itself and remain on there.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#392 โ€“ Joscha Bach: Life, Intelligence, Consciousness, AI & the Future of Humans

Yeah, and it's been doing this for many millions and even billions of years. So there was enough time for information processing networks to form. And if you think about how a mind is self-organizing, basically it needs to, in some sense, reward the cells for computing the mind, for building the necessary dynamics between the cells that allow the mind to stabilize itself and remain on there.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#392 โ€“ Joscha Bach: Life, Intelligence, Consciousness, AI & the Future of Humans

Yeah, and it's been doing this for many millions and even billions of years. So there was enough time for information processing networks to form. And if you think about how a mind is self-organizing, basically it needs to, in some sense, reward the cells for computing the mind, for building the necessary dynamics between the cells that allow the mind to stabilize itself and remain on there.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#392 โ€“ Joscha Bach: Life, Intelligence, Consciousness, AI & the Future of Humans

But if you look at these spirits of plants that are growing very close to each other in the forwards, they might be almost growing into each other, these spirits might be able even to move to some degree, not to become somewhat dislocated. and shift around in that ecosystem.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#392 โ€“ Joscha Bach: Life, Intelligence, Consciousness, AI & the Future of Humans

But if you look at these spirits of plants that are growing very close to each other in the forwards, they might be almost growing into each other, these spirits might be able even to move to some degree, not to become somewhat dislocated. and shift around in that ecosystem.