Joseph Cox

That wasn't successful for a number of different reasons.

So sort of backed into a corner and realizing, hey, maybe I'm next.

This person called Afgu approaches the FBI and the prosecutors and says, hey, I have this embryonic company right now.

It's more of my brainchild.

It's called a NOM.

Would you like to take control of it?

And in exchange, please give me a lesser sentence for any charges I may or may not face in the future.

For the FBI, the size of this opportunity was staggering.

I can't stress enough how big of an ace that is being played by AFKU.

Like, if you imagine if you're an informant in a normal crime syndicate and say, oh, I told the FBI about the boss or whatever.

Now imagine if you were offering the FBI the technical backbone to organize crime, at least potentially, for hundreds of crime syndicates around the entire globe.

It's like, from this point on,

The FBI can take a NOM and they can grow it, at least theoretically, into infinity.

You know, it's only dependent on how popular can we actually make this company.

But they need to make the app better, first of all.

They need to make it so it's a project that people actually care about.

And the way this comes about is that Afgoo, and then people sort of working with him, hire ordinary Android developers, some of whom I've spoken to, and they would log on to their job from a number of different Asian countries.

One I spoke to had their MacBook on their chest or their stomach from bed, like I think a lot of work-from-home people probably do nowadays.

And he would just fix bugs, he would improve features in the app and in the device, because, okay, it's all well and good that we have this encrypted phone company, but if it's of low quality, nobody's even going to use the phone.

It would be embarrassing.