Joseph Robertson

Well, I think there is two trends that I look at which surprise me.

I think even in the more left-leaning voter pools, there's more emphasis on relationship and community building.

Whether or not that translates to solving our natal crisis is yet to be seen.

I don't think that will be the case, but there is at least a sense that there's a lack of community.

And there's also something else quite interesting, which is less partying

going on, less alcohol consumption in younger generations that we can see.

Of course, drug usage is still prevalent, but there does seem to be a kind of growing trend that people are taking life more seriously at a younger age again.

And so I think that will probably lead to a more conservative flourishing maybe in the next five years or so as those younger people do settle down and have families.

So I think the stats are pretty positive.

The only big issue for me is whether or not we can try and outgrow this natal crisis that we have in the West.

Well, you've hit a nerve with me because I, for the viewers who probably won't know this, I was the director of a think tank between sort of 2020 and 2021.

sort of filtering out at that point which was set up in back end of 2019 to focus on two things the work of Sir Roger Scruton who may be familiar to some people you know sort of the last conservative philosopher who died in 2019 in the UK and then also the secondary purpose was to look at conservatism in the red wall and how the 2019 win under Boris Johnson would translate to those areas and what we needed to do to get the country flourishing again we did a

lot of policy work.

into Tory voters because they wanted to unlock prosperity.

And we found a few things.

They're still very socially conservative.

They want to build families.

They want to build businesses, very often very entrepreneurial.

And they are not at all modern Labour voters.

And so those people were very disappointed by the Tory party for obvious reasons, you know, taxes, mass migration, this sort