Josh Clark

That was the Romans' mid to late December winter festival.

Yeah.

So they used holly.

And then when the Christians came around, the Romans were like, you're not allowed to use holly for your Christmas celebration, whatever that is.

Yeah.

It was banned, apparently, at least at first.

And then, like you said, the Druids also had their own thing going on, too.

So this is all happening at different times.

I mean, the Romans would have been celebrating Saturnalia while the Druids would have been celebrating their own thing.

I don't know that one influenced the other.

I know that they were connected via Rome at one point in time, but I feel like the Druids' celebration and use of holly in the wintertime was contemporaneous and not influenced by the Romans.

I could be wrong, though.

Yeah, I'd love to know.

Yeah, we should.

Okay, Chuck, you made a lot of big promises about talking about the holly plant itself before the break, and I feel like we have to deliver on them.

Oh, is that it?

Most of them are evergreen, though, like I said, around the world, which is why people are like, I really like that plant in wintertime.

I guess that they are good in shade.

They're good in sunlight.

They do like well-drained soil.