Josh Clark

Like they were almost toying with the feds because they knew the feds were investigating them.

And it was so clumsy that they didn't feel particularly threatened at this point.

But the whole thing started in May 1992.

And by February 1993, I guess the ATF was like, we have enough information that we're going to we're going to carry out a raid.

We're not just going to show up and ask them to come out.

We're going to carry a hard hitting raid.

Why did they do that, Chuck?

They had a lot of bad intelligence, too, that this raid was based on.

One, I don't know where they got this, but they were under the impression that all of the weapons were kept under lock and key and that you only access those with Koresh's direct permission.

That's not true at all.

The weapons were all over the compound, and basically everybody walking around the compound knew how to use them and was prepared to, right?

That's a really big intelligence failure when you're planning a raid.

Yeah.

Another is there was a pit that they assumed that most, if not all, of the men would be working in.

And apparently during the surveillance, the most men that had ever been seen there at one time was 13.

So that was a bad assumption.

And then, like you said, they were like, he never leaves the compound.

So we have to raid them.

there's one other thing about the raid.

So the ATF was conducting the raid.