Josh Clark

At the time, the ATF reported to the Treasury Department, and they planned this raid based on the element of surprise, right?

The whole thing was supposed to have the element of surprise.

And later on, there would be a lot of disagreement about whether this was said or not.

But supposedly, the higher-ups at Treasury were like, if there's no element of surprise anymore, if you lose it,

You don't do the raid.

And that's not what happened.

It seems like it could be.

Yeah.

And so when he tells David Koresh this, we're about to get raided, Robert Rodriguez, the undercover student who had embedded himself as a follower who they knew was a Fed, he's standing right there talking to David Koresh when the mail carrier David Jones runs up and tells him they're about to get raided.

So.

Knowing that the element of surprise has been blown, Robert Rodriguez runs back to the safe house to call his superiors, gets in touch with them, and apparently is like, the surprise is blown.

We need to call off the raid.

And I guess the superiors are like, oh, bad connection.

I can't hear you.

See you.

We're going to go raid them now.

And that's essentially what happened.

They carried on with the raid willingly.

knowing full well that Koresh knew they were coming.

And that apparently gave them a sense of urgency that hadn't even been there before.