Josh Dubin

of prosecutors just so often not moving from their position is because they can't say, I made a mistake or the office where I work made a mistake. You're going to find that one of the judges that denied relief in this case of the Ohio four Was a prosecutor in this office is friends with the current prosecutor.

One of the other judges that denied relief is the same judge that denied Al Cleveland post conviction relief. When the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, the federal government says these guys, Al Cleveland is likely innocent. And they just shove it aside. What gets in the way? What gets in the way is you touched on it. I want to win. This is I'm not going to go against the former office.

One of the other judges that denied relief is the same judge that denied Al Cleveland post conviction relief. When the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, the federal government says these guys, Al Cleveland is likely innocent. And they just shove it aside. What gets in the way? What gets in the way is you touched on it. I want to win. This is I'm not going to go against the former office.

One of the other judges that denied relief is the same judge that denied Al Cleveland post conviction relief. When the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, the federal government says these guys, Al Cleveland is likely innocent. And they just shove it aside. What gets in the way? What gets in the way is you touched on it. I want to win. This is I'm not going to go against the former office.

Whatever swirl of emotions, you know, whatever it is that just has people. You know, when you get to that point in an argument, this happens. I always give the same example because she's always right. You know, you get to a point in an argument where you're taking a real strong position and the other person, in this case, it's my wife, is always, you know, taking the opposite position.

Whatever swirl of emotions, you know, whatever it is that just has people. You know, when you get to that point in an argument, this happens. I always give the same example because she's always right. You know, you get to a point in an argument where you're taking a real strong position and the other person, in this case, it's my wife, is always, you know, taking the opposite position.

Whatever swirl of emotions, you know, whatever it is that just has people. You know, when you get to that point in an argument, this happens. I always give the same example because she's always right. You know, you get to a point in an argument where you're taking a real strong position and the other person, in this case, it's my wife, is always, you know, taking the opposite position.

And then you realize in the argument that you're wrong. And it's oftentimes it's like you gave me I gave you my keys to put in your purse. Where are they? No, you didn't give me your keys. You took them back since then. I'm like, no, no, no. I remember where I gave them to you. And and then you remember in the middle of the argument. Oh, yeah, that's right. She did give them back to me.

And then you realize in the argument that you're wrong. And it's oftentimes it's like you gave me I gave you my keys to put in your purse. Where are they? No, you didn't give me your keys. You took them back since then. I'm like, no, no, no. I remember where I gave them to you. And and then you remember in the middle of the argument. Oh, yeah, that's right. She did give them back to me.

And then you realize in the argument that you're wrong. And it's oftentimes it's like you gave me I gave you my keys to put in your purse. Where are they? No, you didn't give me your keys. You took them back since then. I'm like, no, no, no. I remember where I gave them to you. And and then you remember in the middle of the argument. Oh, yeah, that's right. She did give them back to me.

And what happens is at that moment, you have a choice to make. You could stop, which I've learned to do and say, you know what? I fucked up. You're right.

And what happens is at that moment, you have a choice to make. You could stop, which I've learned to do and say, you know what? I fucked up. You're right.

And what happens is at that moment, you have a choice to make. You could stop, which I've learned to do and say, you know what? I fucked up. You're right.

In my experience, especially in a case like this, it's just like the, and that's not to pat myself on the back, there's plenty of times I dig in and I know I might be wrong, but it's just the inability to say something bad might've happened here.

In my experience, especially in a case like this, it's just like the, and that's not to pat myself on the back, there's plenty of times I dig in and I know I might be wrong, but it's just the inability to say something bad might've happened here.

In my experience, especially in a case like this, it's just like the, and that's not to pat myself on the back, there's plenty of times I dig in and I know I might be wrong, but it's just the inability to say something bad might've happened here.

No, it's funny. A lot of cases where I ask, where I represent a client in a civil rights case for wrongful conviction, I sometimes give the law enforcement official during a deposition in a civil case, I say, you know, I did it recently for Clemente Aguirre, who was exonerated from Florida's death row.

No, it's funny. A lot of cases where I ask, where I represent a client in a civil rights case for wrongful conviction, I sometimes give the law enforcement official during a deposition in a civil case, I say, you know, I did it recently for Clemente Aguirre, who was exonerated from Florida's death row.

No, it's funny. A lot of cases where I ask, where I represent a client in a civil rights case for wrongful conviction, I sometimes give the law enforcement official during a deposition in a civil case, I say, you know, I did it recently for Clemente Aguirre, who was exonerated from Florida's death row.

I gave the crime scene technician, the fingerprint analyst, all of who played a part in his wrongful conviction, I said, Mr. Aguirre's here. Would you like to apologize to him? No, sir, I will not. Yeah, they won't do it. So he exonerates Nancy Smith and- Joseph Allen. Joseph Allen. And all of these folks that prosecuted Nancy Smith and Joseph Allen, law enforcement, law