Josh Dubin

That's when he went into the FBI. Mm-hmm. The 2006 recanting affidavit, that's the one that Al Cleveland had in his post-conviction filings, evidence that Cleveland was in New York a couple of hours before Blakely's murder and could not have flown from New York to Ohio in time to commit the murder, along with the fact that there was no other evidence tying Cleveland to the crime, quote,

That's when he went into the FBI. Mm-hmm. The 2006 recanting affidavit, that's the one that Al Cleveland had in his post-conviction filings, evidence that Cleveland was in New York a couple of hours before Blakely's murder and could not have flown from New York to Ohio in time to commit the murder, along with the fact that there was no other evidence tying Cleveland to the crime, quote,

That's when he went into the FBI. Mm-hmm. The 2006 recanting affidavit, that's the one that Al Cleveland had in his post-conviction filings, evidence that Cleveland was in New York a couple of hours before Blakely's murder and could not have flown from New York to Ohio in time to commit the murder, along with the fact that there was no other evidence tying Cleveland to the crime, quote,

Now they're quoting a case in this opinion. It surely cannot be said that a juror conscientiously following the judge's instructions requiring proof beyond a reasonable doubt would vote to convict. We find that Cleveland has presented a credible claim of actual innocence. It's amazing. That is such a rare thing for a federal court to say those things.

Now they're quoting a case in this opinion. It surely cannot be said that a juror conscientiously following the judge's instructions requiring proof beyond a reasonable doubt would vote to convict. We find that Cleveland has presented a credible claim of actual innocence. It's amazing. That is such a rare thing for a federal court to say those things.

Now they're quoting a case in this opinion. It surely cannot be said that a juror conscientiously following the judge's instructions requiring proof beyond a reasonable doubt would vote to convict. We find that Cleveland has presented a credible claim of actual innocence. It's amazing. That is such a rare thing for a federal court to say those things.

That's the federal court telling the lower courts in Lorain County, you have to give Al Cleveland a hearing. It's at that hearing where the judge advises Avery Jr., you know, you're basically going to get charged with perjury. So I make the presentation to J.D., and he spends roughly the next five days.

That's the federal court telling the lower courts in Lorain County, you have to give Al Cleveland a hearing. It's at that hearing where the judge advises Avery Jr., you know, you're basically going to get charged with perjury. So I make the presentation to J.D., and he spends roughly the next five days.

That's the federal court telling the lower courts in Lorain County, you have to give Al Cleveland a hearing. It's at that hearing where the judge advises Avery Jr., you know, you're basically going to get charged with perjury. So I make the presentation to J.D., and he spends roughly the next five days.

You know, at some point we were joking to each other, and there was a lot of arguing because he wanted to go out to the apartment where the alleged beating took place, and he did, and he was reading – lines of transcript from four different trials. And he'd say, well, what about this? What about that? And I just said, you know what? I'm going to cancel my Thanksgiving. He canceled his.

You know, at some point we were joking to each other, and there was a lot of arguing because he wanted to go out to the apartment where the alleged beating took place, and he did, and he was reading – lines of transcript from four different trials. And he'd say, well, what about this? What about that? And I just said, you know what? I'm going to cancel my Thanksgiving. He canceled his.

You know, at some point we were joking to each other, and there was a lot of arguing because he wanted to go out to the apartment where the alleged beating took place, and he did, and he was reading – lines of transcript from four different trials. And he'd say, well, what about this? What about that? And I just said, you know what? I'm going to cancel my Thanksgiving. He canceled his.

And I was just there to answer any question he had. And there weren't really many questions of substance. And I started to realize the second or third day that he's looking for something to say they're guilty. He's looking for some evidence, and around every corner he looked, he would say things to me like, what is going on here? Why in the world would this happen?

And I was just there to answer any question he had. And there weren't really many questions of substance. And I started to realize the second or third day that he's looking for something to say they're guilty. He's looking for some evidence, and around every corner he looked, he would say things to me like, what is going on here? Why in the world would this happen?

And I was just there to answer any question he had. And there weren't really many questions of substance. And I started to realize the second or third day that he's looking for something to say they're guilty. He's looking for some evidence, and around every corner he looked, he would say things to me like, what is going on here? Why in the world would this happen?

I'd be curious as to what your thought process was before you finally told us.

I'd be curious as to what your thought process was before you finally told us.

I'd be curious as to what your thought process was before you finally told us.

And, you know, what the federal court is saying is that, yeah, they could damage his credibility at trial, but they didn't know... obviously, because he does it later, that he made the whole thing up. And they didn't know that he's admitted he made the whole thing up. And importantly, who walks in unsolicited To the FBI and says, here's what I did.

And, you know, what the federal court is saying is that, yeah, they could damage his credibility at trial, but they didn't know... obviously, because he does it later, that he made the whole thing up. And they didn't know that he's admitted he made the whole thing up. And importantly, who walks in unsolicited To the FBI and says, here's what I did.