Josh Mankiewicz

with kent walker who was you know sort of the heart and soul of this show in a lot of ways and later we're going to be joined by one of my favorite people and that is dateline producer ann priceman who worked on this broadcast and she will also help answer some of the questions that you may have from social media so stick around for that or stay tuned as we often said in 1961 keith you remember saying stay tuned i remember saying that

Yeah. There's no tuner anymore. That's the problem. So let's talk Dateline. So as I said in the intro, this is the kind of story we don't usually do here at Dateline. That is absolutely correct. This is less about killer and victim and more about killer and killer. And it's a crazy, crazy story.

Yeah. There's no tuner anymore. That's the problem. So let's talk Dateline. So as I said in the intro, this is the kind of story we don't usually do here at Dateline. That is absolutely correct. This is less about killer and victim and more about killer and killer. And it's a crazy, crazy story.

It's the kind of story that makes people want to get into journalism. I mean, it's a long, endless, twisting yarn that touches on all different localities, different people, different crimes. I mean, like Sante, her big talent clearly is that she doesn't come off as being as dangerous and as homicidal as she actually was.

It's the kind of story that makes people want to get into journalism. I mean, it's a long, endless, twisting yarn that touches on all different localities, different people, different crimes. I mean, like Sante, her big talent clearly is that she doesn't come off as being as dangerous and as homicidal as she actually was.

To be a criminal, to be a sort of small-time criminal.

To be a criminal, to be a sort of small-time criminal.

Because I don't think she understood for a long time. One, what a huge service she did for him by talking him out of that life. And second, how lucky she was to be finished with that world. That's right. Because she could have been in a landfill somewhere.

Because I don't think she understood for a long time. One, what a huge service she did for him by talking him out of that life. And second, how lucky she was to be finished with that world. That's right. Because she could have been in a landfill somewhere.

Well, what's interesting is that Sante was arrested a few times and had a criminal record, and that didn't slow her down. But the possibility that might happen to him clearly did slow Kent down.

Well, what's interesting is that Sante was arrested a few times and had a criminal record, and that didn't slow her down. But the possibility that might happen to him clearly did slow Kent down.

You know, frequently on Dateline, we cover the stories of murders, and the murder is the point of the person's criminal activity, which is, like, they want to get rid of their husband or wife or, you know, boyfriend or whatever, right? Or whatever. But in this case...

You know, frequently on Dateline, we cover the stories of murders, and the murder is the point of the person's criminal activity, which is, like, they want to get rid of their husband or wife or, you know, boyfriend or whatever, right? Or whatever. But in this case...

Frequently, the murders were were to cover up other crimes, financial crimes, insurance fraud, check kiting when they would be found out like they were with that bank examiner. Right.

Frequently, the murders were were to cover up other crimes, financial crimes, insurance fraud, check kiting when they would be found out like they were with that bank examiner. Right.

Like they killed that guy like they didn't gain anything from his death except that he was no longer investigating them. And, you know, they clearly killed that poor old woman in New York City just because they wanted to either, what, live in her house or sell it and cash it out.

Like they killed that guy like they didn't gain anything from his death except that he was no longer investigating them. And, you know, they clearly killed that poor old woman in New York City just because they wanted to either, what, live in her house or sell it and cash it out.

great police work in this one and also some incredible luck in which one officer recognizes the sketch put out by a different part of the department.

great police work in this one and also some incredible luck in which one officer recognizes the sketch put out by a different part of the department.

When we come back, Keith has some extra sound that did not make the broadcast that he's going to play for us from his first interview with Kent Walker. You know, most moms don't lead their kids into lives of crime, but that is a position of some colossal influence. I hear my mom's voice when I have not made the bet, right? I hear my mom saying, go make the bet. And I do, and I'm good at it too.