Josh Mankiewicz

When we come back, Keith has some extra sound that did not make the broadcast that he's going to play for us from his first interview with Kent Walker. You know, most moms don't lead their kids into lives of crime, but that is a position of some colossal influence. I hear my mom's voice when I have not made the bet, right? I hear my mom saying, go make the bet. And I do, and I'm good at it too.

That's all Holly Mankiewicz. But most moms don't groom their kids for a life of crime, you know. And the idea that one son couldn't break away and the other one knew he had to is such a great part of this story.

That's all Holly Mankiewicz. But most moms don't groom their kids for a life of crime, you know. And the idea that one son couldn't break away and the other one knew he had to is such a great part of this story.

I don't excuse his behavior at all. I don't. He's right where he belongs. He's a killer. Yeah, exactly. But one does sense that he sort of never had a chance. Right.

I don't excuse his behavior at all. I don't. He's right where he belongs. He's a killer. Yeah, exactly. But one does sense that he sort of never had a chance. Right.

I'm not sure I'd buy it.

I'm not sure I'd buy it.

Well, I mean, first of all, you do this. He does this interview, you know, but I don't want to talk about my mom.

Well, I mean, first of all, you do this. He does this interview, you know, but I don't want to talk about my mom.

That's a guy who sort of is disconnected from reality now as he was when he was under his mother's thrall.

That's a guy who sort of is disconnected from reality now as he was when he was under his mother's thrall.

He wouldn't have been able to have one before he was incarcerated. Right. I will never understand that. Although I did work years ago with a woman who was dating a guy and he was locked up. And I assumed wrongly that they had been together before he got locked up. She's like, no, I met him, you know, after he was. And I'm like, why are you? Why are you dating somebody who is incarcerated?

He wouldn't have been able to have one before he was incarcerated. Right. I will never understand that. Although I did work years ago with a woman who was dating a guy and he was locked up. And I assumed wrongly that they had been together before he got locked up. She's like, no, I met him, you know, after he was. And I'm like, why are you? Why are you dating somebody who is incarcerated?

And she said to me, well, you always know where he is. It's right.

And she said to me, well, you always know where he is. It's right.

And they say that our culture is flawed. Just imagine. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

And they say that our culture is flawed. Just imagine. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

That was a harrowing story. You hear anything from Kenny that sounded like remorse to you?

That was a harrowing story. You hear anything from Kenny that sounded like remorse to you?

Yeah, we're big on that in this country, on confession and redemption. Oh, yeah, and not believing the confession for a long time. Maybe more cynical. Um, so was it difficult to get Kent to sit down and talk about this?