Josh Mankiewicz

Yeah, they met in a church group. And I really do think that without Greg Biggs' involvement, the case against Madison Holton would have gotten into a courtroom. I do.

Yeah, they met in a church group. And I really do think that without Greg Biggs' involvement, the case against Madison Holton would have gotten into a courtroom. I do.

Yeah, I mean, to give the benefit of the doubt to local law enforcement down there, this is a little more complicated case than they usually get. And, you know, this is not a jurisdiction that gets a tremendous amount of murders on which forensics tell one story and eyewitnesses tell a completely different one, and you can't tell which is which.

Yeah, I mean, to give the benefit of the doubt to local law enforcement down there, this is a little more complicated case than they usually get. And, you know, this is not a jurisdiction that gets a tremendous amount of murders on which forensics tell one story and eyewitnesses tell a completely different one, and you can't tell which is which.

Because even the forensics, like, we're a little bit... You know, flawed, like there wasn't any blood on Madison. So he shoots mom and dad, but then there's no there's no blood spatter. And there's clearly he doesn't have time to change his clothes or wash it off in those 11 minutes. So that was something that sort of was a hole in the in the armor of the state's case.

Because even the forensics, like, we're a little bit... You know, flawed, like there wasn't any blood on Madison. So he shoots mom and dad, but then there's no there's no blood spatter. And there's clearly he doesn't have time to change his clothes or wash it off in those 11 minutes. So that was something that sort of was a hole in the in the armor of the state's case.

We look at investigations all the time and sometimes big elaborate investigations by major departments that get a lot of homicides. Sometimes there can be a thing or two that they should have done differently and that can make the difference. I mean, in this case, like at first, clearly law enforcement thought this was a murder-suicide. Again, which is something that's going to come out at trial.

We look at investigations all the time and sometimes big elaborate investigations by major departments that get a lot of homicides. Sometimes there can be a thing or two that they should have done differently and that can make the difference. I mean, in this case, like at first, clearly law enforcement thought this was a murder-suicide. Again, which is something that's going to come out at trial.

I mean, like any defense attorney is going to say, you know, in their opening statement, law enforcement believed at first that this Michael's parents in a murder-suicide because their marriage was failing, and they were right. That's what they thought, and they were correct. And we don't need to go any farther than that.

I mean, like any defense attorney is going to say, you know, in their opening statement, law enforcement believed at first that this Michael's parents in a murder-suicide because their marriage was failing, and they were right. That's what they thought, and they were correct. And we don't need to go any farther than that.

Yeah, I mean, like, it's, you know, it's... You don't get to think to yourself, well, I've had a pretty good life because you've had almost no life at that point. And suddenly you're realizing the rest of it's going to be in a place like where I've been locked up, only worse with some scarier people. That is a daunting future to look at.

Yeah, I mean, like, it's, you know, it's... You don't get to think to yourself, well, I've had a pretty good life because you've had almost no life at that point. And suddenly you're realizing the rest of it's going to be in a place like where I've been locked up, only worse with some scarier people. That is a daunting future to look at.

And I think he thought, absolutely, until Greg Biggs got involved, I sort of felt like Madison thought he was probably going to get convicted, even with the support of his uncles.

And I think he thought, absolutely, until Greg Biggs got involved, I sort of felt like Madison thought he was probably going to get convicted, even with the support of his uncles.

Look, prosecutors have a duty under the legal canons of ethics not to bring cases that they don't think they can win. And it's one reason why, and we've talked about this before, one reason why these murder prosecutors go into court and they got a record of like, you know, Twenty nine and one, you know, like they almost never lose.

Look, prosecutors have a duty under the legal canons of ethics not to bring cases that they don't think they can win. And it's one reason why, and we've talked about this before, one reason why these murder prosecutors go into court and they got a record of like, you know, Twenty nine and one, you know, like they almost never lose.

And that's because they have an overwhelming case before they go in. And this prosecutor did not have an overwhelming case. And I think they thought we are going to lose and we cannot be confident that we will win. And if you're not confident that you're going to win, you are not supposed to bring the case.

And that's because they have an overwhelming case before they go in. And this prosecutor did not have an overwhelming case. And I think they thought we are going to lose and we cannot be confident that we will win. And if you're not confident that you're going to win, you are not supposed to bring the case.

No question. And again, you have leave to represent if you want. I mean, if you get more evidence, you know, look, we talk about this all the time. What leads to a prosecution when there couldn't have been one before? And it's two things. Changes in technology. Changes in circumstance, right? Changes in technology. Suddenly you can get touch DNA from places where you couldn't get it before.

No question. And again, you have leave to represent if you want. I mean, if you get more evidence, you know, look, we talk about this all the time. What leads to a prosecution when there couldn't have been one before? And it's two things. Changes in technology. Changes in circumstance, right? Changes in technology. Suddenly you can get touch DNA from places where you couldn't get it before.