Josh Mankiewicz

Suddenly this person was in that room. They said they weren't in that room, but we now know they were in that room because their DNA was on the doorknob on the inside. So that story they told us about not being there, they're lying. That's one way. The other is, you know, I am not in love with you anymore anymore. And I'm not going to lie for you anymore.

Suddenly this person was in that room. They said they weren't in that room, but we now know they were in that room because their DNA was on the doorknob on the inside. So that story they told us about not being there, they're lying. That's one way. The other is, you know, I am not in love with you anymore anymore. And I'm not going to lie for you anymore.

And when I said that you were with me when that person got killed, I'm not going to tell that lie anymore. Changes in technology, changes in circumstance. Either one of those could get Madison Holton back in a courtroom.

And when I said that you were with me when that person got killed, I'm not going to tell that lie anymore. Changes in technology, changes in circumstance. Either one of those could get Madison Holton back in a courtroom.

You know they can refile.

You know they can refile.

You don't think they have a case?

You don't think they have a case?

I agree.

I agree.

And also, I mean, he's absolutely provably right about one thing, which is he never should have been arrested because people who you don't think you have enough evidence to convict should not be arrested. I mean, I think, you know what, eight years have passed since we did that story. He has not been retried. I think the chances that that's going to happen are,

And also, I mean, he's absolutely provably right about one thing, which is he never should have been arrested because people who you don't think you have enough evidence to convict should not be arrested. I mean, I think, you know what, eight years have passed since we did that story. He has not been retried. I think the chances that that's going to happen are,

significantly diminish with each passing year.

significantly diminish with each passing year.

You know, the fact that he told me that felt like sort of powerful evidence of his lack of guilt because Like, you've got to believe that he is one sophisticated criminal to have committed a murder, gotten away with it, and then made up a story like that. That felt to me as if he were telling the truth, which is I visit my mom's grave.

You know, the fact that he told me that felt like sort of powerful evidence of his lack of guilt because Like, you've got to believe that he is one sophisticated criminal to have committed a murder, gotten away with it, and then made up a story like that. That felt to me as if he were telling the truth, which is I visit my mom's grave.

Great to see you.

Great to see you.

Oh, no, no, it rings right to Keith's desk and he will call you back like instantly.

Oh, no, no, it rings right to Keith's desk and he will call you back like instantly.