Josh Mankiewicz

And in this case, you know, it wasn't as probative as it otherwise might have been because, you know, you're looking on the phone and what you want to see is a text from the killer saying, hey, why don't you meet me at such and such a place at 6 p.m., right? And there wasn't anything like that.

And in this case, you know, it wasn't as probative as it otherwise might have been because, you know, you're looking on the phone and what you want to see is a text from the killer saying, hey, why don't you meet me at such and such a place at 6 p.m., right? And there wasn't anything like that.

But the absence of someone saying, please meet me, gave them a sort of alternative theory of the crime, which was that this was essentially random. This wasn't somebody she knew. This wasn't somebody she was headed to meet. What that says to investigators is this was unplanned.

But the absence of someone saying, please meet me, gave them a sort of alternative theory of the crime, which was that this was essentially random. This wasn't somebody she knew. This wasn't somebody she was headed to meet. What that says to investigators is this was unplanned.

Right. You know, when she's going 60 miles an hour, obviously she's in a car there. Is she alive at that point? Is she with her phone at that point? Because we only know the phone is going 60 miles an hour. So that doesn't necessarily mean she's with it. But in this case, I think it did. So, I mean, those are all things that investigators have to think about while they're looking at that data.

Right. You know, when she's going 60 miles an hour, obviously she's in a car there. Is she alive at that point? Is she with her phone at that point? Because we only know the phone is going 60 miles an hour. So that doesn't necessarily mean she's with it. But in this case, I think it did. So, I mean, those are all things that investigators have to think about while they're looking at that data.

You know, I mean, she was she had a Snapchat streak going with her cousin for 600 days. That kind of helps. because that kind of person is not going to fall off the earth. You know, like that person is not going to stop. They're not going to stop.

You know, I mean, she was she had a Snapchat streak going with her cousin for 600 days. That kind of helps. because that kind of person is not going to fall off the earth. You know, like that person is not going to stop. They're not going to stop.

I think he was on a day off and he just sees them out. He's like, oh, well, look at that. You know, now I will say this. After we finish recording talking Dateline, I'm going to to the retirement of a homicide detective here in Los Angeles. And she is one of those people like that.

I think he was on a day off and he just sees them out. He's like, oh, well, look at that. You know, now I will say this. After we finish recording talking Dateline, I'm going to to the retirement of a homicide detective here in Los Angeles. And she is one of those people like that.

Steve Kivy, who would have noticed the car, put it together and despite being on day off, you know, would have started making some phone calls. You know, there are a lot of cops. I'm not talking about homicide detectives, but guys in uniform in radio cars who just obsessively punch in plate numbers that they see all day long.

Steve Kivy, who would have noticed the car, put it together and despite being on day off, you know, would have started making some phone calls. You know, there are a lot of cops. I'm not talking about homicide detectives, but guys in uniform in radio cars who just obsessively punch in plate numbers that they see all day long.

on every street corner because they're thinking, like, that car doesn't look like it belongs in this neighborhood. And sometimes that's how you get hits, you know, because you're always working and always thinking. And Steve Kivy is one of those guys.

on every street corner because they're thinking, like, that car doesn't look like it belongs in this neighborhood. And sometimes that's how you get hits, you know, because you're always working and always thinking. And Steve Kivy is one of those guys.

One of the things that certainly is pervasive among the criminals we cover is that they have this idea that they're not going to get caught, right? That there was no one there when the crime happened except themselves and the victim. And so therefore, there weren't any eyewitnesses.

One of the things that certainly is pervasive among the criminals we cover is that they have this idea that they're not going to get caught, right? That there was no one there when the crime happened except themselves and the victim. And so therefore, there weren't any eyewitnesses.

And now a few days have gone by and police have not come to my house and they haven't arrested me and I'm living my life as normal. I'm back to my job. And And everything seems OK. And that, I think, gives a lot of people a false sense of security. Now, whether, you know, in this case, Mr. Rivera felt, I don't know what he felt, but clearly he was working. You know, he had a job to go to there.

And now a few days have gone by and police have not come to my house and they haven't arrested me and I'm living my life as normal. I'm back to my job. And And everything seems OK. And that, I think, gives a lot of people a false sense of security. Now, whether, you know, in this case, Mr. Rivera felt, I don't know what he felt, but clearly he was working. You know, he had a job to go to there.

And as to why investigators waited, you know. I think they felt like they had a fix on him. And I think that area is too sparse and underpopulated for a full time surveillance. I mean, that's really hard in a small town because, you know, I mean, you know, you park a van on my street here in Los Angeles. I don't pay any attention to it.

And as to why investigators waited, you know. I think they felt like they had a fix on him. And I think that area is too sparse and underpopulated for a full time surveillance. I mean, that's really hard in a small town because, you know, I mean, you know, you park a van on my street here in Los Angeles. I don't pay any attention to it.