Josh Mankiewicz

Yeah. Yeah. And it's great that everybody did show up. I mean, that really tells you a lot about what kind of what kind of place Brooklyn, Iowa is.

Yeah. Yeah. And it's great that everybody did show up. I mean, that really tells you a lot about what kind of what kind of place Brooklyn, Iowa is.

Yeah. I mean, it's an awful story. And it all I mean, it's one of those things that, you know, if she goes out for a run five minutes later, you know, they don't run into each other. And she's alive today.

Yeah. I mean, it's an awful story. And it all I mean, it's one of those things that, you know, if she goes out for a run five minutes later, you know, they don't run into each other. And she's alive today.

Yeah. I mean, that's, look, you know, prosecutors don't like to go into court on any case, but certainly a murder case without some significant evidence. So, you know, maybe the killer was hoping that that stuff might get thrown out too. That's the only thing I can think of.

Yeah. I mean, that's, look, you know, prosecutors don't like to go into court on any case, but certainly a murder case without some significant evidence. So, you know, maybe the killer was hoping that that stuff might get thrown out too. That's the only thing I can think of.

Yeah. Well, I mean, fortunately, you know, they continued talking and he incriminated himself all over again.

Yeah. Well, I mean, fortunately, you know, they continued talking and he incriminated himself all over again.

The thing I keep coming back to is that she was wearing headphones and she didn't know that he was approaching her. And that is, I mean... You know, how many times has a victim wearing headphones unable to detect the person coming up behind them been an issue?

The thing I keep coming back to is that she was wearing headphones and she didn't know that he was approaching her. And that is, I mean... You know, how many times has a victim wearing headphones unable to detect the person coming up behind them been an issue?

And I know that's part of the advice that people get, which is if you're going to go jogging, don't wear your headphones because, first of all, you might not hear a car that could hit you. And you also will be vulnerable to people like this guy. Yeah.

And I know that's part of the advice that people get, which is if you're going to go jogging, don't wear your headphones because, first of all, you might not hear a car that could hit you. And you also will be vulnerable to people like this guy. Yeah.

I mean, sometimes people are listening to Dateline podcasts and sometimes they're listening to music.

I mean, sometimes people are listening to Dateline podcasts and sometimes they're listening to music.

I mean, that's a that's a big part of running. That's the problem. Yeah. And now here's an opportunity for me to get on my soapbox again, which is like the world is full of tips for women about how not to be assaulted and don't wear headphones while running is one of them. Be situationally aware, which means, you know, you have to be able to hear as well.

I mean, that's a that's a big part of running. That's the problem. Yeah. And now here's an opportunity for me to get on my soapbox again, which is like the world is full of tips for women about how not to be assaulted and don't wear headphones while running is one of them. Be situationally aware, which means, you know, you have to be able to hear as well.

And learning self-defense and, you know, don't have too much to drink at a party if there isn't somebody that you trust to take you home. Those are all good pieces of advice. But what no one ever talks about is if we taught our sons not to rape, We wouldn't need any of these things.

And learning self-defense and, you know, don't have too much to drink at a party if there isn't somebody that you trust to take you home. Those are all good pieces of advice. But what no one ever talks about is if we taught our sons not to rape, We wouldn't need any of these things.

And now it is time for me to go.

And now it is time for me to go.