Josh Shapiro

There has been a good bit of family members doing quite well in this environment.

I think you're seeing more and more people who have the president's ear

being able to lobby him at his swim club to get a pardon for someone that frankly doesn't deserve a pardon.

I mean, I think the list goes on and on and on, but those are some examples that I think the American people see with their own eyes.

Taking a billion dollar jet from the Qataris and thinking there's nothing attached to that, right?

I mean, I think that there's just a lot of that that moves so fast that the American people are having a hard time keeping up with it, but there will be a reckoning on this one day.

Is it illegal?

How would you reshape that tool?

Well, let's be clear.

And I don't think you're suggesting this, but I was critical of Joe Biden when he pardoned his son, right?

I was critical of him publicly.

What we are seeing under Donald Trump, you have to admit, is next level.

when it comes to the abuse.

I mean, I will tell you, I sit at this desk here, and I sign pardons and clemencies.

And I take that responsibility so seriously.

And I agonize over these decisions.

And I pray that I get these decisions right.

And I believe I have.

And I'm transparent about why I viewed someone as worthy to get a clemency and also worthy of not getting one, or not worthy, I should say, but also not earning one.

And these are tough, tough decisions.