Josh Shapiro

It goes back to what I said a moment ago.

Our founders, when they vested that kind of authority in an executive, didn't necessarily do something wrong by giving the executive that power.

But they were leaning on the assumption that the executive would be honorable, that the executive would do this with morality and real scruples in mind.

And I think what we're seeing with the president is if you sidle up to him at a swim club,

you donate a certain amount of money maybe, or you have his ear for some other social reason, you can usually get him to give a pardon to someone who's important to you.

I think it is important.

You cited Hunter Biden.

They went through a legal process.

There was an investigation by the Department of Justice.

I think there has to be a real look.

I say this as a former prosecutor, a real look at some of this stuff and follow the evidence, follow the law.

And if charges are warranted, bring them in.

By the way, if charges are not warranted,

Don't bring them.

Do not use the rule of law as a tool to go against political opponents in any way.

But I think what you've got to have here are people who are operating with real morality.

And you do have to figure out a way to operate within the norms again.

I'm unwilling to accept that that is gone.

It may be temporarily suspended under Donald Trump.

But I'm hopeful that we can find our way back to that.