Josh Weisberg

We were in discussion.

So remember at this point that we were profitable.

And so you can't kind of run you, you know, it's easy when you're talking to VCs or you're trying to get acquired to run out of time.

And that's really your worst time is your worst enemy.

If you're running out of money, you're running out of time.

You had plenty.

Because we were able to pay our own bills, we were talking to investors and we were kind of exploring all the options.

And so that's what gave us the ability to kind of find a really good deal.

Yeah.

Ah, yes.

So I'm going to give an off the beaten path tribe by Sebastian Younger.

So this guy, uh,

The thing I love about this book is that it's all about how everybody needs belonging and connection.

Underneath all the products and all the things that you think about building every day, there's this deep human need for it.

And it's been in our DNA for hundreds of thousands of years.

And understanding that at a deep level has helped me build better products.

I mean, Yvon Chouinard of Patagonia.

This guy just doesn't give a shit about anything and he changes the world every day.

He constantly reinvents his business.

I would say Trello because I go crazy if I don't have a receptacle for all my ideas and the noise in my head.