Josh Widdicombe

8 Out of 10 Cats is kind of the classic for this.

where you would go to an office in West London.

Always West or North London.

Always West or North London.

And you would play through a TV show to 15 staff members, if you were lucky.

Who are still excited about TV.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

If you're lucky, like the host would be hosting it, but sometimes just one of the producers will be hosting it.

And then the second type is new ideas of a TV show, new formats.

Which I'd say, well, no, actually it's less stressful in a way because by the time you've reached our level, you've done enough of these to presume it won't happen.

And in those ones, it's fun if it's all the production company.

I have to tell myself them with them, like with myself.

Like I've had ones where the show hasn't worked, but I've done well.

And then they're like, it's a bit unfair.

It's like shagging your girlfriend's mate.

Then like the thing doesn't get picked up, but the channel comes back, goes, we'd love to do something with you though.

And you go, fucking hell, this production company's worked really hard.

And they basically just give me a little boost, which is unfair.

But sometimes it can work out the other way, I suppose.

Yeah.