Joshua Browder

So it's actually one of the first interfaces where someone could talk to a computer to get something done in that way.

And it would ask you questions about your ticket, match you to a defense, and then generate the letter and send off to the right.

Wow, and that was in 2015?

Yeah, but this was if statements and decision-based.

So I was staying up until 4 a.m.

coding tens of thousands of lines of code.

If the user says this, do that.

Just like pumping it in, like it was crazy.

Yeah.

And I think it's a good lesson as entrepreneur.

You constantly have to be innovating because now you can just ask chat GPT to generate a letter for parking tickets.

And so that's really what inspired me to build these more sophisticated products.

Because I think Jeff Bezos at Amazon said consumer expectations are constantly rising.

And I really believe in that.

Yeah, just make it more sophisticated.

What was exciting in 2015 is not exciting in 2025.

And 10 years from now, who even knows?

Maybe there'll be flying cars.

So it could be controversial, but I think AGI is much further away than my colleagues in Silicon Valley like to say.

And the reason is, I think the transformer architecture, so the way GPT works is they take in every book, every piece of human writing that they have access to and fed it into a statistical model.