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Joshua Greene

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
894 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

So you should save the people in the car.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

Right.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

But then people push back and was like, oh, so you've got these, you know, basically like bigoted cars that are going to only care about the people inside them.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

And then Mercedes said, no, no, no, no, no.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

That's not what we mean.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

No car should ever make any value judgments at all.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

which of course is actually impossible, but good PR, right?

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

But critically, someone who's inside the car might be much more protected than a pedestrian or a cyclist.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

So cars have to deal with this stuff.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

Now, it's pretty clear that we're not going to be able to solve these problems with

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

a hard and fast set of rules.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

So like if you're giving the car, let's say, simulations and it does different things, let's say it swerves around that cyclist and it doesn't hit the cyclist, but almost does.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

Is that a win or a lose?

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

Is that something you want to reinforce with your machine learning algorithm?

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

Or is that something you want to dissuade?

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

So there are value judgments that are made in training.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

Yeah, so this is not research that I've done, but I can tell you, people have looked at lots of different

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

neurodivergent conditions, some of which would go under the heading of psychopathology and others not.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

You mentioned psychopathy.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

This is something that's been studied and what you find is that people who have diagnosed with psychopathy are more likely to say that it's okay to push the guy off the footbridge.