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Joshua Greene

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
894 total appearances

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Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

that they're more likely to give those sort of utilitarian response.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

But we don't think it's because they care more about the greater good.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

I think it's because they don't have that emotional response that goes, ah, don't push, you know, don't hurt people, don't commit acts of violence, right?

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

As a parallel to that, this is work that was done as an undergrad thesis done by a student named Xin Shang, who was interested in this stuff.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

And she thought, hmm, I wonder how Buddhist monks would respond.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

Because there were sort of some teachings that would suggest that Buddhist monks might actually kind of make more of a utilitarian response.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

But if you ask most people, would a Buddhist monk push someone off the footbridge?

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

I said, no, of course not.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

Buddhist monks are very pious, good people, right?

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

So she went to the mountain city of Lhasa and interviewed, I think, 48 Buddhist monks.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

And something over 80% of them said that it would be okay to push the guy off the footbridge.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

And when you ask them why, many of them cited this sutra, this teaching, which describes a sort of advanced, sort of almost enlightened being who...

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

was in a situation where there was a murderer who was going to cause a lot of harm.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

And the only way to stop them was to kill them.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

And the person killed them, not out of malice or hatred, but to prevent this harm.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

And actually with the expectation that it would be karmically harmful for himself.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

But because he did it with that pure intention of promoting the greater good, then that was sort of part of his path to being a bodhisattva and enlightened being on earth.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

And that's what we found with Buddhist monks.

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

So you've got psychopaths and Buddhist monks, both...

Ologies with Alie Ward
Trolleyology (MORAL DILEMMAS + THE TROLLEY PROBLEM) with Joshua Greene

giving the utilitarian judgment.