Joshua Greene

Although I do love the story about the monks.

Yeah.

So this is the big one.

And we've got the paper we've been working out for five years that's just coming out in Nature Human Behavior.

We're very excited about this and really sort of building this stuff out.

Okay.

So we got to back up a little bit.

You mentioned my book, Moral Tribes.

That came out of it 10 years ago.

This was me trying to put together all the philosophy that I've been thinking about and all the science.

It was a successful book, but it didn't spark a global philosophical revolution.

Bummer.

I was like, well, what?

Maybe I had the wrong theory of change.

I started asking myself, instead of trying to

unite the world's tribes or reduce tensions between different peoples by getting everybody to agree on a philosophical outlook, maybe we can work on people's thoughts and feelings in a more direct kind of way.

On the biological side, everything around us is ultimately about mutually beneficial cooperation.

I mean like molecules come together to form cells.

Cells come together to form colonies and multicellular organisms.

And organisms have organs that cooperate.