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Joy Harjo

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246 total appearances

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Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret

experiencing the world as a caterpillar, and then they build this chrysalis. And the chrysalis is where they essentially liquefy and then reform. So it's a time of chaotic form of, you know, I was this, but I'm going to be something else. And I would imagine in that chrysalis period, the known parameters have fallen away to some extent, to some extent. And then the butterfly emerges.

Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret

And that's how I think of adolescence, is being in that chrysalis stage. But in that stage is a lot of innate power, any time of transformation, whether it's a transformation of a country, a transformation of a human being or of a butterfly, a caterpillar becoming a butterfly. There's a lot of power, creative power in that. But I'm fixated on that closet for some reason.

Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret

And that's how I think of adolescence, is being in that chrysalis stage. But in that stage is a lot of innate power, any time of transformation, whether it's a transformation of a country, a transformation of a human being or of a butterfly, a caterpillar becoming a butterfly. There's a lot of power, creative power in that. But I'm fixated on that closet for some reason.

Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret

And that's how I think of adolescence, is being in that chrysalis stage. But in that stage is a lot of innate power, any time of transformation, whether it's a transformation of a country, a transformation of a human being or of a butterfly, a caterpillar becoming a butterfly. There's a lot of power, creative power in that. But I'm fixated on that closet for some reason.

Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret

What did the closet look like? I could go in and it had a door that shut, you know, with a door handle on it. So I could go in there and sit. I would sit on the wood floor because, you know, I didn't have a chair in there, of course. And I could sit in there and have peace. And you know that people aren't going to come looking for you like, you know, they might look for you elsewhere.

Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret

What did the closet look like? I could go in and it had a door that shut, you know, with a door handle on it. So I could go in there and sit. I would sit on the wood floor because, you know, I didn't have a chair in there, of course. And I could sit in there and have peace. And you know that people aren't going to come looking for you like, you know, they might look for you elsewhere.

Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret

What did the closet look like? I could go in and it had a door that shut, you know, with a door handle on it. So I could go in there and sit. I would sit on the wood floor because, you know, I didn't have a chair in there, of course. And I could sit in there and have peace. And you know that people aren't going to come looking for you like, you know, they might look for you elsewhere.

Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret

But, you know, we would, if my mother, and I know she wouldn't like me saying this because she's proud of me and what I've done. But if she saw us with books, she'd say, get up and do something.

Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret

But, you know, we would, if my mother, and I know she wouldn't like me saying this because she's proud of me and what I've done. But if she saw us with books, she'd say, get up and do something.

Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret

But, you know, we would, if my mother, and I know she wouldn't like me saying this because she's proud of me and what I've done. But if she saw us with books, she'd say, get up and do something.

Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret

Yes, that we had to be doing something. Yeah, we needed to be doing something because there was always so much to be done in a household with all of those kids. So I understand that. But I wasn't in there to escape doing things because I contributed. I was there for my own peace of mind.

Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret

Yes, that we had to be doing something. Yeah, we needed to be doing something because there was always so much to be done in a household with all of those kids. So I understand that. But I wasn't in there to escape doing things because I contributed. I was there for my own peace of mind.

Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret

Yes, that we had to be doing something. Yeah, we needed to be doing something because there was always so much to be done in a household with all of those kids. So I understand that. But I wasn't in there to escape doing things because I contributed. I was there for my own peace of mind.

Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret

Okay, next three.

Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret

Okay, next three.

Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret

Okay, next three.

Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret

That's interesting. That's like it's related. It's like falls right in line with the first one. What place shaped me? You know the places that shaped me? Okay, a couple. There's places in the physical realm and places in the dreaming realm.

Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret

That's interesting. That's like it's related. It's like falls right in line with the first one. What place shaped me? You know the places that shaped me? Okay, a couple. There's places in the physical realm and places in the dreaming realm.

Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret

That's interesting. That's like it's related. It's like falls right in line with the first one. What place shaped me? You know the places that shaped me? Okay, a couple. There's places in the physical realm and places in the dreaming realm.

Wild Card with Rachel Martin
Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret

And the physical realm was going to the lake. Like my father, I loved the water. So we would go over to Fort Gibson Lake. My mom would cook fried chicken, mashed potatoes, all that really good stuff. But again, it was taking us out of the ordinary, in a way, taking us out of the ordinary world to the water, the place of water. I think of my father.