Joy Taylor

Is that why you're saying you feel like you're a terrible person?

I'm not a terrible person.

I'm actually like a pretty decent person considering.

But I do think that moving through the world, it's getting harder and harder to like...

be good.

Yeah.

Like what you just said.

It's like the higher you go up, the more, the darker it gets.

And it's like you have to make, you make choices.

Like, you know, do you, what is it, you die a hero, live long enough to become a villain?

Yeah.

And you spend enough time like...

trying to be a good person and you realize there's no reward for being a good person you are not rewarded at all people will not treat you better people will not spare you like people will not be loyal to you just because you are a good person that's why you should be a good person for yourself for yourself yeah I mean or separating because I feel like even with

business or every industry in general you kind of can only meet manipulation with like manipulation if someone is a shitty person and you're negotiating with them or working with them for them you can't be a good person and it's going to work out like you have to meet them at that same exact place to even get through this yeah can't just come in with a smile and they'll be like oh he's good i think that's why we have a an orange for a president

I would love to be on that debate.

Oh, my God.

With Trump?

What do you want to debate him on?

Well, he's going to get a third term, apparently.

Let's just exchange insults for an hour.