Judith Moritz

And that clearly is what's happened today.

Although the chair has also been at pains to point out that they're not

Operating in isolation and arguably, you know, the agencies who've come in for criticism are also being criticised for not looking at the family unit as a unit, as a whole, not just looking at a troubled teenager, but thinking to themselves, well, what's going on in the family home here and what's the bigger picture?

So when they gave their evidence, we could hear them, but we couldn't see them.

The parents have been, as I understand it, given the opportunity to live somewhere else.

They're certainly not back at the family home in Lancashire.

The BBC has made many attempts to make contact with them previously.

But other than them giving that evidence, that is the only public comment we've ever had from the parents of the attacker.

I think on one level, it doesn't tell them anything they didn't already know in the sense that, particularly while they've been watching the evidence with mounting horror over the last few months, that this was an attack they knew with a sinking heart could have been prevented.

But what they said to...

The inquiry and what some of them have said to me was that they were very, although they found it very difficult, particularly those days when they came themselves to give evidence, which was very traumatising.

They were very supportive of the whole exercise, but only if it is for the purpose of effecting change.

So the way they will look at today is it's a step on a journey.

They won't gauge the success of the inquiry on today's report.

They'll gauge its success down the line.

whether or not the recommendations that are being suggested are given time to happen.

And now some of them we'll see detail of in the next phase of the inquiry, but most of them are not connected to that next phase.

And I'm not entirely certain what the mechanism will be

for policing whether or not all these agencies are being told that they need to make improvements whether that's going to happen because frankly we have sat here before you and i we've talked about the manchester arena inquiry and other public inquiries where you know recommendations are made and then you wait and you see is there going to be change that's really the key

Yeah, and you know what that will never leave me is that experience of listening in the hearing room as all of those parents one by one came to tell the inquiry about the psychological effect and damage that this has wrought on all of those families, the surviving children.