Julia Longoria
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130 appearances
3 recordings
3 series
first heard Mar 2025
last heard Mar 2025
Julia Longoria’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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But we don't let them drink beer when they come back? Was that just? Not to mention the liability issues. You have these 18-year-old girls coming in, buying beer, slipping it to their boyfriends. How am I supposed to stop that? You can't prove who buys what.
But it wasn't just a conversation, because before that meeting, Mark had gone out looking for a lawyer.
And Curtis and Mark and the other frat brothers had tried to raise some money.
But they managed to find this lawyer who would do it on the cheap.
Fred had worked on another male discrimination case in the past, and to him, this case was pretty straightforward.
And do you remember corresponding with Ruth Bader Ginsburg?
Somehow, Ruth Bader Ginsburg noticed this case, and she watched as Fred made his way up the courts, losing at every level. And by this point, Ruth Bader Ginsburg was head of the Women's Rights Project at the ACLU. She'd already argued a few cases before the Supreme Court, which had inched the court slowly toward the idea that sex was like race. And she thought that this case was interesting.
She gave Fred a call.
Fred did not see this as a women's rights case.
And Ruth, looking at this case, thought, no, Fred, it's more than that.
Again, Ruth was after the stereotype about women that was nestled inside the beer law, that women are more responsible and well-behaved. But in order for her to make that connection, she needed Fred to write his brief in a way that would be useful to her. So refer not just to male discrimination, but discrimination based on gender.
So, like, Ruth had her work cut out for her.
So, with other local lawyers that she'd worked with in the past, Ruth had been more forceful, insisting that she make the argument. But that had backfired. So she was like, OK, you argue it, right? She wrote to Fred telling him that she didn't need to be the one to present oral argument before the court. She was fine if he'd do it.
But she very gently, very persistently was able to convince him to let her help him with his legal brief.
Meanwhile, back at the Honkin' Holler, Carolyn has no idea what's going on.
How are you? We don't want to get mixed up in this. We don't want our name on this. We don't want to make a fuss like this could hurt business. Like, how dare you? You know, I didn't know what had happened. I really didn't know. And eventually she figured out it must have been that kid who came in here. And now it's like at the Supreme Court.
What did he say?
And over the course of that hour and 20 minutes, she said something in her just kind of shifted. And at a certain point, she basically turned to him and was like, no.
October 5th, 1976, the day of oral arguments. The lawyer, Fred Gilbert...
And by all accounts, you didn't exactly kill it.
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