Julia Longoria
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130 appearances
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first heard Mar 2025
last heard Mar 2025
Julia Longoria’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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But she says what caught her ear was a moment when Justice Rehnquist, when he called me.
As arguments went on, Fred did at least try to do the thing that Ruth wanted him to do.
Compare sex discrimination to race discrimination.
To make a long story short, by the end of oral argument, things weren't looking great for Fred.
First of all... At one point, he even interrupts a Supreme Court justice, which you don't do that.
It just, uh, yeah, wasn't happening.
What? No, no, no, no. Here comes the craziest part of the story.
It's like a double Trojan horse. A horse within a horse. Because after the Fred Gilbert debacle, there was another case at the Supreme Court that afternoon.
By none other than Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
So I couldn't confirm that for sure. I don't even know how you would do that. But what I can tell you is that she arranged to go second because she knew there was probably a good chance that Fred, the completely incompetent lawyer... was going to be, you know, less than amazing.
And then she told Justice Stevens, even in this case, where it seems like men are the ones who are being discriminated against, beneath that discrimination is a more insidious one.
They go back and forth a bit. Justice Stevens is basically like, why do you keep insisting on this? Like, why do you keep saying that discrimination against men contains within it discrimination against women? They're different. And she's like, no, they're not different.
She makes this point again and again. All discrimination based on gender is bad, and it should be checked with something at least approaching that hardcore standard that the court uses for race.
About two months later, December 20th, 1976, Justice William Brennan announces that the court is striking down the beer law.
This silly beer case was basically the first time the court clearly said that when you discriminate based on gender, you need to pass a harder test. It wasn't as rigorous as race. It wasn't strict scrutiny. They settled on a standard that we now call intermediate scrutiny. And it was pretty damn close. RBG would go on to strengthen this standard over time, but this was the case.
That first got us a kind of equal rights amendment through a side door.
The day the decision was announced.
And he says, is it over?
Carolyn says that for decades after this case, she didn't understand what it meant. She didn't understand what it meant as a legal principle or that it ushered in this new era for women in this country. But even so, in her own life, this case was a beginning.
She and Dwayne divorced in 2007.
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