Julia Louis-Dreyfus

Am I right about that?

There was a new lens through which we're looking at all of this now, fortunately.

And did you say it was at NBC?

ABC.

ABC.

Yeah.

I have a feeling I know who that might have been that you were talking about.

And I was certainly witness to similar types of behavior.

It's interesting how women just became inert to it, really, in fact.

And wrongly so, but that was the culture at the time.

And I wish you'd stood up too, but I wish I'd stood up.

There were plenty of moments in my own life where I wish I'd gone like, sit down, time out, you're out of here, you know.

Yes, I hope you're right.

Shame is a very powerful feeling and can get its tentacles into you in a way that can be very paralyzing.

But when you look back on that period of time now and that abuse, which, by the way, I want to applaud you for speaking so candidly about because I know it's helpful to

I was about to say to people who are victims of abuse, but it goes well beyond that.

Shedding light on your experiences is a very brave thing to do, and it's very good for the universe.

Having said that, how do you see its impact, if you don't mind talking about it, on your career and your life, that abuse?

So to that end then, what advice might you have for –

Those people who are trying to sort of unshackle themselves from a history of abuse.