Julia Shaw

Also because there's queer phobia within the queer community.

And so you might get gay men saying to a bi man, come on, you're act.

I was bi once.

That's a classic.

I was bi once.

Or come on, you're actually gay.

It's the same that you get the other way around with bi woman is that because it's seen as performative, the idea being that bisexual women are doing it for attention, they're

but the attention of men specifically, that, well, they're all going to go back to men anyway, and they're just doing it.

It's a phase.

It's this thing that they're doing actually to be sexy to men, not because they're actually interested in women.

And so there's this lesbian bi thing going on, which is often quite hostile.

Not always, but often.

And there's this gay male bi thing going on, which is different in nature, but is also potentially hostile.

So in both, saying you're bi can be problematic, but for men more so.

The Kinsey scale is a good start.

And the Klein grid, I think, is much more fun in some ways.

So the Klein grid came out of research by Alfred Kinsey and others like Havelock Ellis, but we won't get into him.

And...

Fritz Klein was a male researcher doing research also on bisexuality.

He was specifically a therapist and he was looking at people who were struggling with their sexuality.