Julia Shaw

Now think about the time.

Well, and it's post-war, though, so I think that mattered as well.

So there's something called a homosocial environment, which has nothing to do with being gay.

That has to do with being in a situation where you are with people of the same gender as you.

So a homosocial environment are things like prisons, where you only have men or only have women, war...

which at that point they just had.

And so you have a lot of men who are exclusively in the company of men and maybe looking around going, well, now that my options are different, maybe I'm going to choose from this pool.

Anyway, so he found that it was that way around, that a lot of people have these fantasies or actions that they've engaged in.

And then there were other researchers, other male researchers, who found similar things.

And then at some point in the 70s, it swapped.

And it felt like maybe more people, more men were identifying as gay.

And there were maybe less people who would have called themselves bi.

And suddenly this became a thing more for women.

So I think that there's some social things going on, there's some research things going on, but actually bi men have been studied for a long time as well.

Definitely.

And I think that research consistently shows that

bisexual men are more likely to identify as, well, as gay or straight.

And gay, well, it depends.

So if they have what you might refer to as a homosexual lifestyle, so they engage in sort of going to queer parties, maybe go on Grindr or other gay apps, that would be much more a lifestyle thing where you've embraced and you see this as part of your identity, that you are part of this queer community.

It's much easier to say you're gay than you are bi most often.