Julia Shaw

I think that's what people fear.

So a lot of the Nietzsche quotes I use as well are... Some of them I like because they speak to the chapters I write about and the issues I write about.

But some of them I also like because they are how people think about evil and people who are labeled evil.

And I do think with gazing into the abyss and the abyss gazing back, it's more of a...

You're trying to find it.

And that's why in some ways that doesn't work, actually, because it isn't a total blank.

It isn't the abyss.

There are, in fact, things that you can see, even if it's just superficially, and patterns you can recognize to help you and key decision makers, especially in legal settings, make better decisions around people like this.

So when they see these patterns, they act a better way.

So yeah, I get asked a lot as a criminal psychologist, do you carry the cases that you deal around with you?

So some of the cases involve huge amounts of witnesses, huge amounts of potential victims.

And so in these cases, there are very visceral descriptions sometimes of heinous crimes.

And

I think that as someone who does this work, you can't be someone who sees it as anything other than a puzzle.

So you have to look at it and go, here's the different pieces of information.

What I am doing is pattern recognition.

I'm not here to emotionally invest in each of these victims or potential victims.

That's not my role.

There's therapists for that.

There's other people who do that work.