Julia Shaw

I am here working with the police.

I'm here working with lawyers.

I'm here looking at it more sort of objectively to see how this all fits together.

And so I think that's how I engage with it.

I see it as this puzzle that I'm trying to figure out.

It's the classic scientist response as well to what other people in society go, ooh, they go, you know, this is horrible or this atrocious thing has happened or this shocking existential crisis-inducing thing I've just found is, you know, giving me existential crisis.

And scientists instead go, oh, wow.

And you can sort of see the delight in discovery as well.

And I think sometimes scientists read as callous because we enjoy this discovery of knowledge and the discovery of insights.

And it just feels like this little light bulb has gone off and you go, oh, I understand a tiny bit more about the human experience or about the world around us.

And I think it must be similar.

I don't know that I feel or worry that I sort of become more quote unquote evil.

I think it's more that you add this nuance, which I guess sometimes can be estranging to other people.

So there's that.

So when you speak with others, sometimes like even when I say we shouldn't use the word evil, right?

People go, no, but you have to.

Does that mean you're trivializing things?

And the answer is, no, I'm not trivializing.

I'm just trying to understand.

Also, like sympathizing or being empathetic towards people whom others have written off is always going to get that response from some people.