Julian Morgans

Q now has a new mission. His role, as he sees it, is to warn his fellow countrymen from traveling to Southeast Asia for unverified jobs. He's been on many news programs throughout Uganda for this reason. And it's why he wanted to come on this show to tell us his story.

Q now has a new mission. His role, as he sees it, is to warn his fellow countrymen from traveling to Southeast Asia for unverified jobs. He's been on many news programs throughout Uganda for this reason. And it's why he wanted to come on this show to tell us his story.

We're gonna come back to Q at the end of this episode, but we're gonna take an ad break here. Stick around because when we're back, we're gonna dive into the global effort to combat scammer farms.

We're gonna come back to Q at the end of this episode, but we're gonna take an ad break here. Stick around because when we're back, we're gonna dive into the global effort to combat scammer farms.

Hey, welcome back. So throughout this series, we've been pretty focused on understanding the problem. And I think throughout so many of these interviews, I've been like, oh, we just got to send in the troops, you know, we got to blow this thing up. But we can't do that.

Hey, welcome back. So throughout this series, we've been pretty focused on understanding the problem. And I think throughout so many of these interviews, I've been like, oh, we just got to send in the troops, you know, we got to blow this thing up. But we can't do that.

And to find out why we can't, I'm going to speak to a man named John Wojciech, who's a regional analyst based in Thailand for the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. This is the UNODC, and I've spoken about these guys before. They're basically our first line of defense against global drug trafficking, cyber fraud and money laundering. Hello, John. Welcome to the show. Thanks.

And to find out why we can't, I'm going to speak to a man named John Wojciech, who's a regional analyst based in Thailand for the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. This is the UNODC, and I've spoken about these guys before. They're basically our first line of defense against global drug trafficking, cyber fraud and money laundering. Hello, John. Welcome to the show. Thanks.

Thanks very much for having me. Can we start with a bit of an introduction?

Thanks very much for having me. Can we start with a bit of an introduction?

I'm trying to place your accent. Are you Dutch? Polish Canadian. Polish Canadian. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. The Z, the Z in your last name was a bit of evidence I ignored, but okay.

I'm trying to place your accent. Are you Dutch? Polish Canadian. Polish Canadian. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. The Z, the Z in your last name was a bit of evidence I ignored, but okay.

One of those sort of kinky letters. Yeah, yeah. So after that really smooth start, I asked John what the UNODC is doing about scammer farms, or what any intergovernmental group can do about scammer farms.

One of those sort of kinky letters. Yeah, yeah. So after that really smooth start, I asked John what the UNODC is doing about scammer farms, or what any intergovernmental group can do about scammer farms.

Yeah. So I'd say the way that we look at it is sort of from four pillars. For the sake of brevity, I'm just going to summarize the four pillars or what John really means is the four ways that the UNODC is combating scammer farms. So first up, they're collecting information about how these farms work and who runs them. And then they're sharing that information across Asia.

Yeah. So I'd say the way that we look at it is sort of from four pillars. For the sake of brevity, I'm just going to summarize the four pillars or what John really means is the four ways that the UNODC is combating scammer farms. So first up, they're collecting information about how these farms work and who runs them. And then they're sharing that information across Asia.

So, for example, Cambodia has all the same intel that Thailand has.

So, for example, Cambodia has all the same intel that Thailand has.

So that's the first two ways that the UNODC is trying to deal with scammer farms. Then their third method is something that they call convening. And what that is, it's basically bringing together governments with people and NGOs.

So that's the first two ways that the UNODC is trying to deal with scammer farms. Then their third method is something that they call convening. And what that is, it's basically bringing together governments with people and NGOs.