Julian Morgans

We're going to take a quick ad break, but when we get back, I'm going to talk to John about how people like you and me, people who are getting scammed, can do things to protect ourselves. Welcome back. So we've been talking to John at the UNODC about what can be done with scammer farms. And the answer is, not much. Which is all kind of depressing, right? It's just so big.

We're going to take a quick ad break, but when we get back, I'm going to talk to John about how people like you and me, people who are getting scammed, can do things to protect ourselves. Welcome back. So we've been talking to John at the UNODC about what can be done with scammer farms. And the answer is, not much. Which is all kind of depressing, right? It's just so big.

So I figured if the world really is at a loss to stop online scams, the least I can do is ask John how we individuals can protect ourselves.

So I figured if the world really is at a loss to stop online scams, the least I can do is ask John how we individuals can protect ourselves.

Should I just click on nothing, trust no one, just stay off the internet as much as possible and never go to Myanmar?

Should I just click on nothing, trust no one, just stay off the internet as much as possible and never go to Myanmar?

i think after talking to john and after talking to judah and troy and small q and catalaya i'm bringing us to a pretty somber conclusion i don't think this industry can be stopped it's in this era of rapid expansion and i think just even slowing it down is impractical so that's brought me to this place of wondering what purpose this podcast serves i mean sure it's entertaining in a morbid way but but what are we trying to do here

i think after talking to john and after talking to judah and troy and small q and catalaya i'm bringing us to a pretty somber conclusion i don't think this industry can be stopped it's in this era of rapid expansion and i think just even slowing it down is impractical so that's brought me to this place of wondering what purpose this podcast serves i mean sure it's entertaining in a morbid way but but what are we trying to do here

And I think the answer is education. As in, now you know what's happening. Now you can be extra weary about starting an online conversation with someone who refuses to meet or clicking on a link from an unknown source or moving to Southeast Asia for a job that seems too good to be true. That's ultimately what this series is about.

And I think the answer is education. As in, now you know what's happening. Now you can be extra weary about starting an online conversation with someone who refuses to meet or clicking on a link from an unknown source or moving to Southeast Asia for a job that seems too good to be true. That's ultimately what this series is about.

It's just spreading the word about what's happening so that hopefully scammer farms find it harder to recruit and harder to scam. And I think that's the best we can aim for. Small Q is home in Uganda now, and he's doing everything he can to warn people from traveling to Asia. He's talking to media, he's posting on social media, and he's writing music about scammer farms.

It's just spreading the word about what's happening so that hopefully scammer farms find it harder to recruit and harder to scam. And I think that's the best we can aim for. Small Q is home in Uganda now, and he's doing everything he can to warn people from traveling to Asia. He's talking to media, he's posting on social media, and he's writing music about scammer farms.

In fact, some of you watching this on YouTube or Spotify, you might have noticed right at the very beginning of this series, in Ep 1, we used this video clip from one of Q's songs, which included shots of him tied up on a wall. This song is about his experience in the scammer farm. And this video clip references his experience in the dark room.

In fact, some of you watching this on YouTube or Spotify, you might have noticed right at the very beginning of this series, in Ep 1, we used this video clip from one of Q's songs, which included shots of him tied up on a wall. This song is about his experience in the scammer farm. And this video clip references his experience in the dark room.

In fact, he says that he wrote some of the music in his head just while he was suspended on hooks by his handcuffs.

In fact, he says that he wrote some of the music in his head just while he was suspended on hooks by his handcuffs.

I didn't really understand what we sang. But the mood, honestly, the mood got me. And although we've covered some of the worst parts of humanity through this series, I feel like Small Q represents some of the best.

I didn't really understand what we sang. But the mood, honestly, the mood got me. And although we've covered some of the worst parts of humanity through this series, I feel like Small Q represents some of the best.

So Q is getting his life back on track in Uganda. And if you'd like to help out, he has a GoFundMe link and we're going to put it in the show notes. And last thing, just before we go, Judah and his team at Global Advance Projects rely on donations to do the work rescuing people from scammer farms. It's vital work and they're not connected to any government, so it's all independent.

So Q is getting his life back on track in Uganda. And if you'd like to help out, he has a GoFundMe link and we're going to put it in the show notes. And last thing, just before we go, Judah and his team at Global Advance Projects rely on donations to do the work rescuing people from scammer farms. It's vital work and they're not connected to any government, so it's all independent.