Julie Holland

Maybe you won't agree with that phrase, but I'll use it.

Right.

And it speaks to the fact that somebody is in some degree of dire straits that they think a psych ward is an improvement over.

You're very interested in involved in psychedelics as mental health treatments.

True.

Was that driven by a frustration with the fact that the system that you were embedded into you didn't seem to be working?

No, because it came before Bellevue.

I would assume then that the recent, and I don't know the exact timeframe, but I believe in the last six months, ruling by advisors to the FDA that MDMA treatment posed more risks than benefits was a bitter pill.

Right, right.

It seems that the committee was extrapolating from there to the fact that MDMA itself was the reason that people acted inappropriately, which I think is an extrapolation.

Right, right.

Let's move on from psychedelics, at least for now.

We may find our way back there.

But I'd like to focus on the heart of your book, Good Chemistry, which is about the science of connection.

You say our species is categorized, and I love this, is obligatorily gregarious.

What does that mean?

I was afraid I was going to stumble over it, but it came out okay.

I was on the road for an entire month recently, and normally that's when I start eating terribly.

I've got airports, I'm grabbing anything I can to go, I'm eating out all the time.

And because I wasn't exercising as much, I really wanted to avoid that.