Julie Holland

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So let's talk a little bit about psychedelics and addiction.

And I think it is a nuanced and complicated area.

I am a recovering alcoholic, heroin addict.

I usually don't state this, but in addition to those two, I was a prodigious marijuana user.

So I have watched this psychedelic

unfurling over the last decade where it's really started to get traction in both mental health and spiritual circles, very interestingly, and also very cautiously given my history and given I've had some really tremendously bad trips in my past.

And so let's talk about first just that link between psychedelics and addiction.

whether psychedelics are actually addictive.

And then furthermore, what do we see that are some of the possibilities that psychedelics might give for healing addiction?

Yeah.

Right.

And some of these things that we might think of as less addictive, like cannabis is going to, I think, I think it ends up co-opting a little from both.

Right.

Yeah, I agree.

Yeah.

And obviously, I feel like I always hear other podcasters do this, so I suppose I should do it.

None of this is medical advice.

Yeah.