Julie Menanno

Right.

What are they doing?

What's their role?

Right.

How are they?

How is this, you know, a co-creation?

And, you know, that defensive person, first of all, usually people get defensive when someone's bringing up a concern to them.

Right.

And so I need to clean up how that concern is being delivered by the other party.

And what I'll see is sometimes even when that person is delivering that concern in the healthiest way possible, that doesn't always stop the defensiveness.

Sometimes we get defensive because of our own stuff, not necessarily.

And so I ultimately need to get that person to a point where they can

kind of put all those bad feelings on the side and just dive in and lean into their partner, what their partner is saying to them.

Be like, okay, I'm not going to, I know what's going on with me now.

I'm getting some emotional awareness around this.

I'm not going to let that hijack what my partner has to bring to me.

I'm going to open up to them and I'm going to lean into that.

Hopefully they're delivering their stuff in the healthiest way possible.

And then later,

Hours later, once we've kind of, because that person has the floor if they're bringing up the concern, right?