Julie Piatt

I get it.

But I guess maybe that's a lens that you're looking at it still as an achievement.

We watched it together and my awareness when I saw that documentary was that

the demons that you are battling are no different than the demons that those men have.

And I know that that's like a weighty thing to say, but Marcus actually and Amber actually address it.

The brain, the human brain, organizes trauma in the same way.

Like, you can't say somebody's trauma is more severe than another person's trauma.

And one of the things that was really beautiful to witness was their transformation in their marriage and how it's completely given them a new life, a new relationship together, and also to learn that he had done it six times in eight years.

And so it's a process of evolution.

It's not about getting it right.

It's not like if you get it, a switch flicks and then you have it.

It's a process of becoming.

And also, as with all things in life, we don't get to say what the outcome is.

It's having the courage to be open, to see yourself intimately at such a level that it risks everything else.

And I'm not asking you to stay in this marriage with me so that we can have a specific outcome.

I'm asking you to be courageous enough to be so intimate with me that we see the truth of who we are.

And then we can decide moment to moment to moment

if we wish to continue creating life together in this manner.

It's the intimacy that there is no outcome.

Whatever is revealed will be shown, and it's beyond the human being or the personality.