Jum Wallner

They don't have to do anything.

I don't know if we're counting on it, but I would say this whole experience has made me vastly less cynical about politics.

I mean, maybe that's a bit of a spoiler, but everyone engaged with us.

Everyone treated us with respect.

you know, kindness.

There was a great deal of empathy for Jum's position.

And right through, I mean, this thing went on for a couple of years and there were a lot of people working for government who were clearly trying to do good work.

Yes.

It was pretty hard.

So by the time we got to summer, the end of 2020, the ACT government had agreed to pay Jums medical expenses, which was really good.

But still, that was kind of a one-off, they called it an act of grace payment.

They hadn't made any commitment about people in the future, and there was no commitment.

Yeah, and no kind of financial support in the way that other victims, workplace victims got.

And they kind of, we formed the conclusion that basically their position was we'll help if the feds agree to kick the tin as well.

So that meant we had to...

We had to lobby the federal government and Greg Hunt, the health minister in the middle of COVID, the busiest minister who has ever existed, I would imagine, he was the ultimate decision maker.

So we had to get to him.

It was unlikely, Jim.

I'd lived that long.

Yeah, the clock was ticking and also we had momentum.