Jum Wallner

And I remembered we'd had Greg Hombey as a guest once after he'd written an autobiography.

And because it was Sunday night, you never know what's going to happen and how people are going to go getting into the building.

We had his mobile number and I looked up the round down and I found it and I texted him.

Now, Greg Hombey had led the James Hardy negotiations in the early 2000s.

He was Australia's most knowledgeable asbestos negotiator.

And I texted him and said, this is what we're doing.

We're running this campaign for Mr. Fluffy victims and

Can I have a chat and get some tips?

Because I don't know what I'm doing.

He said, don't politicise things.

He said, don't try and be smart and play off Labor versus Liberal.

You know, don't get the Labor Party who are in opposition federally, don't get them thumping the table and saying, you have to do this.

Try and get a channel of contact to the government.

Use that.

If things go quiet, maybe then you can, if Labor want to help you, you can use that.

But you focus on the government.

Don't focus on politics.

Focus on the building community support.

Seek supporters from other organisations that the government has to listen to.

And whenever we felt lost, which was often...