Jum Wallner

I'd go back and read my notes from the conversation with Greg.

They were like a compass pointing us in the right direction.

Yeah.

Well, Bruce was on that as well.

I just said don't pick a fight with them, just be nice, you know, just try and work with them, listen a lot, take lots of notes, you know, we can analyse them later, looking for clues as to how they're thinking.

Don't be too strident.

Yeah, I felt really, we set up a communication channel with Greg Hunt in the early 2021, and one of his advisors I emailed and spoke to, and I was very clear to say, oh, you know, this 7.30 did a national story on Jum.

This story's coming up.

We haven't seen anything critical about the government.

I'm hopeful the story won't be critical.

Yeah, it was really important for us to build a relationship of trust with them.

At some point, someone had been interviewing Anthony Albanese and mentioned our thing, and Elbow had said, oh, I'm going to have a look into this, and I was straight on the phone or emailing

Sam, Greg Hunt's advisor, saying, look, this has happened.

I just want you to know we didn't push this.

We're not trying to activate the opposition.

We really appreciate that we're working together on this to solve this problem and we're not playing any political games here.

We just want to work with you.

So I was very paranoid about things getting away from me.

They said, look, we'll write to the federal government.

And we really didn't, you know, know how good that would go.