Jum Wallner

Exactly.

And that was felt to be the end of it.

But no one had really given any thought to the people who are going to be affected by asbestos illnesses.

Yeah, and if you're trying to find something nice to say about asbestos in a, you know, at least Mussolini made the trains run on time sort of way, you would say that at least it gives you normally a few decades before it starts trying to kill you.

And Charm was exposed first at age three and he was diagnosed at 54.

So, you know, it was awful that it happened, but he got 50 years.

Generally, yeah.

I mean, Mr Fluffy is actually an outlier of a case for a number of reasons, and one of them is because their asbestos can't necessarily be traced to James Hardy.

But because of vigorous work by the unions, by victims, by lawyers in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s,

culminating in a big negotiation between the ACTU, led by Greg Combey and Bernie Banton, and the James Hardy Company.

The James Hardy Company set up a big fund that has now paid out over a couple of billion dollars to victims, and to workplace victims.

And essentially, if you get workplace asbestos, which...

near between one and two hundred thousand australians have they've got sick from asbestos that they've incurred because of their workplace nearly it may even be over 200 000 you are you are almost certainly going to be covered you'll either be able to get compensation from the james hardy fund or if you somehow fall through the cracks there are all these government schemes to say look

you know, you're a worker, you got sick from asbestos in your workplace, it's not fair that you should be excluded because you can't prove liability, we'll give you a hand.

It's essentially, it's significant.

You get, you know, pain and suffering, you get a payment for a

The fact that your life's ending early, they often calculate from the time you were diagnosed to the end of your working life, all the money you would have earned.

So if you get diagnosed at 50, it might be because you're never going to be able to work again, 15 years worth of wages.

Yep.

Medical, funeral, any other out-of-pocket costs.