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Justin Drake

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

And the strategy that we're taking is actually to collaborate with the Bitcoiners.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

So in the Bitcoin land, there's a couple individuals, Mikhail Kudinov and Nick Jonas.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

They're both part of Blockstream and they're both hash-based signature experts.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

And we're basically working with them to make sure that whatever we develop in Ethereum land is also applicable to Bitcoin.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

And if Bitcoin and Ethereum uses that standard, then the whole industry presumably will also use the standard.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

So I have a few thoughts here.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

We take security extremely, extremely seriously.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

And overall, what I expect will happen is that

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

the solution that we deploy is going to be orders of magnitude more secure than what we have today with ECDSA.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

Now let me try and explain this.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

So ECDSA is based on elliptic curves, which are these fancy structured mathematical objects.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

And it is possible that some clever mathematician comes up with an algorithm to break the discrete log using some very fancy mathematical trick that humanity was not aware of.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

And this is the kind of thing that has happened in the past.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

We have better and better algorithms for factoring, for example, and for discrete log.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

And one possibility with the advent of AI is that we just have mathematicians that are 100 times smarter than human mathematicians that discover this hidden structure, niptic curves, and can break up the cryptography.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

And so the cryptography that we're building is not only post-quantum, it's also post-AI.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

And...

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

Going back to one, the other thing that I said is that it only relies on hash functions.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

So if you take basically any signature scheme, it will rely on two things.

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

One, the hash function, and then two, an optional additional hardness assumption, which might be the discrete log, or in the case of lattice-based signatures, like these structured lattices.