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Justin Drake

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

But in the case of hash-based signatures, there isn't this additional hardness assumption.

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

It's just hash functions.

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

So if your hash function is secure, then you're good.

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

And so in that sense,

Bankless
Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

I expect to be an improvement versus the status quo.

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

Now there's two caveats that I want to highlight.

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

Caveat number one is that we're dealing with more complex objects.

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

And the solution that we have here is what we call deep end-to-end formal verification.

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

So we have our cryptographic object and we want to basically prove mathematically that it is sound, that it is impossible to forge a signature.

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

Not only do we want to do this for the mathematics, but we also want to do this for the code.

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

And had you asked me two, three years ago, is this something that would be doable?

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

I would have said yes, but it was extremely laborious, extremely expensive.

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

But what we're seeing with the advent of AI is that this very laborious and expensive work can be done a hundred times faster and a hundred times cheaper.

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

we're starting to see bleeding edge world-class mathematics.

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

For example, a recent result that won the Fields Medal, which is the equivalent of the Nobel Prize for Mathematics, that result has been formally verified by an AI in five days.

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

They produce half a million lines of code proving mathematically that machine checkable proof that this is indeed a valid theorem.

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

And the process, finding all sorts of typos,

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

in the proof of the human written paper.

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

So that's the kind of due diligence that we want to have in order to avoid the bugs.

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Ethereum’s Quantum Strategy with Justin Drake

Now there is another thing that I want to highlight, which is the hash function itself.